. Kushedwack. Minstry_of_pain. TOAA definitely has better feats (his avatar destroyed countless universes) so he should take this. The Heart of the Universe makes this rather one sided. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Never leave. The comics have so many meta layers, and TOAA is at the top, so he should scale above Buddha Wukong. #1. fangirl101. Ahl God Of Superheroes. Manhattan's league. zold5 • 1 yr. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. Stop the omnipotent debate, the closest thing to that is Pre Retcon Beyonder in the 80s and TOAA for later eras on average. I mean, the name itself says it – the One Above All – there is nothing, no one, that could beat him. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Pre-retcon Beyonder. 2. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was. Round 1: Post-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. he is omnipresent. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. In Character until it's necessary to KO each other in a one vs one battle for very bored looking TOAA want some entertainment battles Round 1. PR Beyonder > TOAA and all His/Its Omniverse Beyonder may have been from outside the Marvel multiverse, however he is still a Marvel property and would come under the jurisdiction of Marvels supreme being. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Beyonder 16. . Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. TOAA in fact survived. This would be a contradiction, as the only infinity existing in marvelverse with no equal is TOAA. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. 2,459 485. -This version is considered to be Omnipotent. Forum Posts. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. I've heard TOAA is no longer omnipotent due to a new plot development, so you might be able to throw him at Featherine and see what happens. Meaning he became everything and everyone. 1. Those guy would curbstomp Manhatten. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. beyonder Yep, lol. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. 0. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. Follow 4160. • 1 year ago. The only. The supreme maker does indeed scale above all possibilities, but i'm not sure that would beat toaa, but if you wank that hyperspace scan TSM has more of a chance against him. Juntai. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Followers. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. Now House Of Ideas 13. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. I see him as toaa's equal. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. " I am the One Above All. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. He stomps all round. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. Also Beyonder could do pretty much anything while Lord of Nightmare does not have any feats. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Here is the NEW Presence vs TOAA thread. Not once. The "Nuh-uh, Presence is not omnipotent. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Not comp marvel, Above all Others was confirmed to be TOAA (the one that Thanos defeated) 2. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. bluepride1234. Two deities would acknowledge each other and move on. The One Above All is literally God. Having incubated. They are so many tiers apart that it's not even worth trying to count. Reply. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder 39%. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionSo you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. 0) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Beyonder was just a very much younger and less evolved TOAA, so Marvel's TOAA might have it on experience and being around more and his knowledge in himself, which is where Beyonder lacked, as he. 7 K. " im sick of Beyonder. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. Divine Creator 3. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Bteatesthighlander1 •. s. He was initially depicted. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. Everything that takes place is his dreams. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @King Saturn: Chuck worships GOAG not TOAA All thought he maybe reffered to as TOAA and is the true OAA " TOAA can be referred to as the GOAG though. 3 years ago. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. Forum Posts. 5 T. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. The Living Tribunal answers only to TOAA and is regarded by him and every other abstract entity in Marvel as being omnipotent and literally "above" them all in terms of power and importance. It was said that she is the spark of creation. along with. Beyonder would be stomped. 0. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. 7 years ago. So, unless you think that Beyonder is >> TOAA and Presence, then your statement is absolute hyperbole and highly inaccurate. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. This could also be used as. Comics . Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. “INTO THE OCEAN OF REALITY YOU HAVE CROSSED DIMENSIONAL PLANES. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER | Special Attacks and Moves | Keanu Reeves in MARVEL Nick Coss 24. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. There is only one Beyonder and its capabilities are beyond anything any cosmic being on this list can even begin to contemplate. Superhero Battle match: Beyonder versus The Presence. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. The One Above All (TOAA) is supposed to represent the writers of Marvel. GER is well above the league of the Infinity Gauntlet. Phoenixblue. ) should be banned from the Battles Forum, as any fight they're in will end with. Thanos wins. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Minor nitpick. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. he is on my list of people who need to never appear in the Battle Threads again. 8 C. Same goes for Jean's human parents. Same goes for Jean's human parents. The Beyonder here, is referring to his pre-nerf version from Secret Wars II, since he got nerfed by Marvel writers and artists afterwards. PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. 1. I think the idea. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his. 9. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. He wins. That's it. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. So in actuality: Beyonder = PM. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. One below all vs the beyonder. As you stated King, there's really nothing we know of the Primal Monitor, so Beyonder wins by feats alone. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Now, Beyonder doesn't work like that, and is more ore less considered TOAA level, not above, but about the closest thing you could get to TOAA without being TOAA. Pre-Retcon is irrelevant (has been for decades) only current The Beyonder and members of his species count 1 versus 1 All try their hardest to win Round 1: Peak condition and trying hard Round 2: Augmentation (like sundipping for kryptonians) and trying hard. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. TOAA isn't omnipotent. 93. In general as the Supreme Beings. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. ago. #12 Edited By Montaq. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. [deleted] • 8 yr. Zeus (mythoology) vs The One Above All. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". 13 / 10. "NO beyonder is not on TOaa level lol "Yes, I am afraid he is. He is just beyond. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Nhiều Fan cho rằng One Above All (TOAA) là sở hữu quyền năng tuyệt đối và đứng đầu Đa vũ trụ và hơn hẳn Beyonder. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. . Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". 9 years ago. Scathan beat Protege and that had to have been from an outside Amp from TOAA based on her copying the LT. 115 26. Definitely Beyonder. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. He was TOAA, before he was introduced. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. The Phoenix Force can do its best, but The Beyonder might capture it in a glass bottle and take it home like some odd curiosity one finds at a flea market. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. The Beyonder's existence is singular in the sense that he doesn't exist in any alternate realities. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. I. But If TOAA existed in Marvel when Pre-Beyonder was created then he isn't omnipotent. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Aug 9, 2016 #10 Overseer due to wiki rules you must request a content revision and debate for this changes. Phoenixblue. s. 4. Wiki Points. Vs. We have arrived at the Conclusion of Defenders Beyond! The Defenders have come face to face with The One Above All! But not all is as it seems, and Blue Ma. TOAA have failed. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. itsirk. Beyonder Doom 14. No Alien X & No Ascalon and no Godly powers ups like Phoenix/Beyonder/Captain Universe/Cosmic Cube Round 2. Beyonder is on the level with The Spectre who takes orders for the presence. 14 years ago. Forum Posts. If this. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. The winner would just be based on whose power takes priority over the other, which is arbitrary. s. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. Thats because most Marvel and Beyonder know it all, like @Endless Mike do not post around here anymore. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Melkor is the second strongest character in Arda (Middle-Earth planet), though he may be third after Ungolliant. Team Michael: Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy, Kismet, Rama Kushna, COIE Anti Monitor and Krona. Homelander has Outerversal AP. 8 years ago. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Boobster. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was established, there was no character of TOAA before or at the time of Secret Wars 1 & 2. They are not beyonders and are instead a subservient race for them, ala the Mapmakers or the Sidera Maris and so on. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Comet is a Fun & Gaming Community where you can enjoy benefits for free! Daily giveaways, custom games currency | 5348 memberscalling themselves "God" (an Artist) and the "Collaborator" (the Writer) I presume TOAA. and yes, its the. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. . Dante 1 y 7 d. Oh boy, Michael wins. Ok, this is what I thought. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. 1 Answer. 1. [deleted] • 8 yr. Beyonder's legitimately more powerful. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. You. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Neither of. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. #4 ironthor1. Team The Daughter Of Mortis - vs - Team Beyonder #. The One Above All | MCOC | TOAA VS THE BEYONDER |. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. I build with many hands. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. and it can be said so is spectre. 9 years ago. He's a monster that made Multiversal galactus that stomped master order and lord chaos look like little brats. 6th. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. The Glory is an infinite-dimensional temporal construct that holds the infinite dimensional multiverse in Doctor Who together. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. The Beyonder kicks both their asses though, not the current beyonder but the first one. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Jun 12, 2019 #2. Like, Dr-Manhattan created the new DC universe, but the Multiverse that belongs in is Yehweh's Multiverse. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. Even The. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. The-One-Above-All is the supreme creator of all existence in the Marvel omniverse and is. Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Both have the same powers. . Post-Retcon Molecule Man. Lord Of Shambala 5. SCP 3812. Beyonder vs The Celestials. The Two fight in the beyond realm. 3 years ago. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Agreed. The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. It is like TOAA vs Beyonder. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in DC. LT is basically the will of TOAA, representing the editors and acts only when they have written themselves into a hole. Juntai. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. #3 jwwprod. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. on the other hand Lucifer said to be half of the presence power so infinity divide by 2= infinite. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. it would be mostly stalemate. TOAA is above all. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. 6. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. Yes, TOAA is the only true omnipotent being in Marvel - however the WPotC is now the creator, judge, jury, executioner and destroyer of the multiverse. Jayfournines. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. ago Almighty wins against Beyonder and Oblivion. 1. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. ago. Which is power explicitly above the Beyonder. Bugs would take down the Beyonder easily, he'd just rewrite reality so that the Beyonder was a turtle. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. 5 years ago. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. #14. Ervin_Pepper • 8 yr. Beyonder Doom 14. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. ago. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents. It was the fake beyonder who claimed to be the embodiment of a multiverse from beyond ours, however after the retcon it seems people have been believeing that the true. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > The LT with the backing of the TOAA vs. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close 1 year agoAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. Loki God Of Stories 17. He's the most powerful. PR beyonder can take all and stalemate with TOAA. Both are in character. TOAA's weakest Avatar was defeated and absorbed by a version of Thanos in his Astral Regulator form while the Beyonder was retconned for being too powerful. Vs Battles Wiki knows should be taken with a bucketload of salt, that said. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). That’s the pain of reality-warping fights. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Jan 29, 2017. Team stomps 50% . Beyonder is an omnipotent being, and it was often described as another version of TOAA and was a representation of a Marvel writer same as TOAA. BTW, even when Beyonder killed Death. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. It's actually arguable that Beyonder > TOAA based on feats. • 7 mo. You can't be above him. . the spectre with the presence backing. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. s. dunno where they went other than TOAA clapped his hands and they were gone.